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Inclusion Bites · Episode 110

Queer Stories Across Boarders

with Georgie Williams · 16 May 2024

See Change Happen podcast: “Queer Stories Across Boarders.” Today’s guest Georgie Williams. seechangehappen.co.uk

Lived Experience Identity

Joanne Lockwood is joined by researcher and storyteller Georgie Williams to explore what we can learn from queer lives and communities across borders, and why narrowly defined gender and sexuality “boxes” fail to reflect human diversity.

Georgie shares the origins of their project Slash Queer: building an open, accessible archive of oral histories from around the world, shaped by the people telling the stories. The conversation moves through how western frameworks have been exported through media and colonial histories, and how other cultures have long held broader understandings of gender, sexuality, kinship and social roles.

Together they discuss identity, pronouns, and the practical realities of being read by others. Georgie explains their shift to they/them pronouns and the difference between genuine effort and defaulting to what makes others comfortable. Joanne reflects on transition, “passing”, and the everyday ways couples navigate social scripts.

The episode also addresses safety, bias and access to care, including how healthcare and public spaces can become sites of policing and exclusion for trans and nonbinary people. Throughout, Joanne and Georgie balance humour with clear-eyed challenge: expanding representation, loosening assumptions, and making room for people to belong without having to fit a prescribed template.

About Georgie Williams

One-sentence summary

Georgie Williams believes that when people are trusted to name themselves in their own words, they reclaim dignity from systems that have tried to shrink them into boxes.

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Synopsis (two paragraphs)

Georgie Williams is a field researcher who chose not to become the kind of academic expert who speaks about people from a safe distance. Instead, they packed a bag and travelled — to Indonesia, Japan, South Africa, Lesotho, the United States and beyond — sitting in people’s homes and communities to listen. They entered the work academically trained in gender and sexuality, yet they insist, “You can’t be an expert in the human experience.” What shaped them most was not theory, but people: five-gender social systems in Indonesia, historical shifts in Japan shaped by Western pseudoscience, and the realisation that what many in the West call “normal” is neither universal nor natural.

What Georgie is trying to change is the way queer lives are framed, extracted and misrepresented. They want stories told by the people who live them, not filtered through curiosity, moral panic or colonial hangovers. They refuse the idea that dignity should depend on how well someone “passes”, how attractive a doctor finds them, or whether their identity makes others comfortable. Their work protects something tender: the right to exist without over-explaining, without sanitising, without shrinking. They are building a world where you can say “I’m queer” and that is enough.

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10 Small, digestible concepts for easy learning

1. You cannot be an expert in someone else’s humanity.

Knowledge matters, but lived experience cannot be outsourced.

2. Normal is often just exported power.

Western gender binaries feel universal because they were spread, not because they are innate.

3. Boxes survive by policing their borders.

The gender binary sustains itself by punishing those who blur it.

4. Passing is often about safety, not vanity.

Many want to be read correctly to avoid harm, not to chase perfection.

5. Dignity should not depend on aesthetics.

Respect cannot be conditional on how well someone conforms.

6. Children know themselves earlier than we admit.

Discomfort about queer children reveals adult fear, not youthful confusion.

7. Representation without nuance is marketing.

Visibility matters, but not if it flattens people into moral mascots.

8. Language both frees and constrains.

Labels can offer protection and connection — but they can also create new boxes.

9. Gender is socially rewarded performance.

We receive social currency for “doing it right”.

10. Curiosity without care becomes extraction.

Listening must be accountable to the people speaking.

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The “why” in the story

What they believe is true about people

That gender and sexuality diversity are part of being human — across cultures, across centuries — and that most people simply want to live safely and with dignity.

What they cannot unsee

How colonialism and pseudoscience reshaped cultures, exporting rigid binaries and fuelling homophobia. How healthcare has been withheld based on whether someone passes. How quickly dignity is made conditional.

What they are no longer willing to tolerate

Stories told about queer communities without them. Trans healthcare treated as a luxury. Respect granted only if someone makes others comfortable.

What they are trying to build instead

An open-source archive of lived stories. A culture where self-definition is trusted. Relationships and communities where scripts are rewritten rather than obeyed.

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Narrative structure

1. The trigger

Georgie wanted to create an oral histories archive during their PhD — a space where people steered their own narratives. When that path closed, they built it themselves. The deeper trigger was recognising how easily global queer lives are flattened or misrepresented.

2. The tension

They constantly meet fragility — the fragility of masculinity, of cisnormative comfort, of systems that rely on neat categories. They’ve experienced professionals using pronouns based on convenience, doctors making assumptions about their body, and broader backlash steeped in fear.

3. The insight

The gender binary is not timeless truth but a “parasitic symbiosis”, identities propping one another up by opposition. Once you see that, you realise disruption is not chaos — it is honesty.

4. The pivot

Georgie stopped trying to be palatable. They retired pronouns others misused carelessly. They chose “queer” because they do not “owe anybody an explanation of the nuances” every time they come out.

5. The destination

A world where identities are not interrogations. Where healthcare is based on need, not attractiveness. Where relationships feel emancipated rather than scripted. Where dignity is ordinary.

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Five key takeaways and learning points

1. The gender binary is cultural, not inevitable.

So what: If it was constructed, it can be reshaped — which means change is possible.

2. Safety drives many aesthetic choices.

So what: When someone seeks to pass, understand the risk behind it.

3. Children’s identities are not adult fantasies.

So what: Creating open conversations at home protects wellbeing, not innocence.

4. Representation must include complexity.

So what: Real belonging means seeing flawed, joyful, contradictory humans — not symbols.

5. Respect begins when explanation is not demanded.

So what: Trusting someone’s self-definition strengthens connection rather than weakening it.

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Ten distinct ideas explained

1. Colonial influence on gender norms

What many call “traditional” is often shaped by colonial imports. Systems once expansive were narrowed by external moral codes.

2. Five-gender social systems

Some cultures formally recognise multiple gender roles, integrating them into social balance rather than marginality.

3. Parasitic symbiosis of the binary

Masculinity and femininity are often defined by rejecting each other, creating fragile identities built on opposition.

4. Gender policing as social currency

People reinforce rules because conformity brings approval and privilege.

5. Passing and cis standards

Trans people are measured against cis norms, tying wellbeing to aesthetic compliance.

6. Healthcare as gatekeeping

Treatment has historically depended on whether professionals deemed someone convincing enough.

7. Pronouns as effort

Respect is felt most in the trying — not perfection, but care.

8. Fear as moral reasoning

Accusations of perversion often arise from discomfort with ambiguity, not evidence.

9. Queer relationships as script-free spaces

Without predefined roles, partners must consciously build dynamics — often finding freedom in the process.

10. Open-source storytelling

Making knowledge accessible resists elitism and allows communities to speak without paywalls.

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How people should change as a result

1. Think

  • Move from “Is this normal?” to “Normal for whom?”
  • Replace “I don’t understand” with “What can I learn?”
  • Recognise that discomfort does not equal danger.
  • See identity as self-knowledge, not performance.
  • Question who benefits from rigid categories.

2. Feel

  • Shift from defensiveness to curiosity.
  • From fear of disruption to appreciation of honesty.
  • From pity to respect.
  • From moral judgement to humility.
  • From fragility to steadiness.

3. Act

  • Use the pronouns someone asks for — and practise until it becomes natural.
  • Avoid asking for personal details that are not yours to interrogate.
  • Challenge jokes or narratives that imply queerness is predatory.
  • Support accessible healthcare and policies grounded in evidence.
  • Seek out stories told by queer people themselves.
  • In families, create space for children to speak without panic.
  • In your own relationships, question inherited scripts and decide together what works.

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One thing to remember

Dignity should never depend on how comfortably someone fits your box.

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