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Inclusion Bites · Episode 97

Turning Setbacks Into Comebacks

with Elsa Caleb · 08 February 2024

Podcast cover: Inclusion Bites—Turning Setbacks Into Comebacks. Today's guest Elsa Caleb. seechangehappen.co.uk

Careers Growth Confidence

Joanne Lockwood talks with business strategist Elsa Caleb about what it takes to turn setbacks into comebacks, especially for women whose careers and income were disrupted by Brexit, Covid, and the cost of living crisis.

Elsa explains how she helps clients move from feeling stuck to taking practical steps: reframing circumstances, identifying transferable skills, and building the mindset needed to treat a venture as a real business rather than a hobby. Together they explore common barriers such as loss of confidence, fear of financial risk, and uncertainty about sales, pricing, and planning.

The conversation also highlights the value of supportive networks and accountability, with examples from women’s entrepreneur communities and the Professional Speaking Association during the pandemic. Elsa shares parts of her own journey from dance and the arts into business support work, as well as reflections on family influence and the reality of facing race as a factor in her experience.

Across the episode, the focus stays on sustainable entrepreneurship: cash flow, compliance, pricing, and building resilience so people can create stability for themselves and their families while pursuing work that fits their strengths and ambitions.

About Elsa Caleb

One-sentence summary

Elsa Caleb believes that no matter how hard the setback, people are never starting from nothing — and that hope, skill and dignity can be rebuilt when someone helps you see your own worth again.

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Synopsis

Elsa Caleb is a woman shaped by movement, migration and a mother who refused to let limits define her children. As a young girl she found her voice through dance because she struggled to speak without stammering; on stage, she says, movement let her express what words could not. Raised by a fiercely ambitious mother who trained as a psychiatric nurse and brought up seven children, Elsa grew up in a household where striving was normal and support was unshakeable. She did not initially “see colour” as a barrier — she was taught to excel — until moments of exclusion forced her to confront what others saw before they saw her talent. Still, she pushed forward, moving from the arts into business, eventually advising at national level, yet always holding on to the belief that change is survivable and growth is possible.

What she is trying to change now is quieter but no less urgent: the loss of confidence that leaves capable women doubting their right to rebuild. She sees women who say “before Covid” as though their lives halted permanently — women who gave up careers, absorbed family pressures, or quietly lost belief in themselves. Elsa works to remind them that “you can start again, but you’re never starting at zero”. She helps them recognise that organising a household, budgeting for shopping, raising children — all of it is business skill. For her, this is about food on the table, dignity intact, and women believing they are not hobbies in their own lives. It matters because when someone regains belief, something in them lights up — and that light changes more than income; it changes how they stand in the world.

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10 Small, digestible concepts for easy learning

1. You are never starting from zero.

Experience accumulates, even when confidence disappears.

2. A setback is often a skills audit in disguise.

When one door shuts, your hidden abilities become visible.

3. Confidence is built before strategy works.

Without belief, even the best plan collapses.

4. Soft skills are business skills.

Planning meals, managing children, juggling budgets — that is operational leadership.

5. Hope begins with one small, realistic plan.

Grand reinventions fail; grounded next steps stick.

6. Community reduces fear.

Sitting in a room with others who are trying makes the risk feel shared.

7. Profit is not greed — it is sustainability.

Survival without surplus creates fragility.

8. Change is constant; resistance is optional.

The world will move — your response determines your stability.

9. Being seen builds courage.

When someone reflects your strengths back to you, you step differently.

10. Engagement outweighs performance.

Real business begins with conversation, not polished marketing.

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The “why” in the story

What she believes is true about people

That most people underestimate themselves, especially after being knocked back by life.

What she cannot unsee

How quickly external crises — Covid, economic pressure, prejudice — erode women’s confidence more than their capability.

What she is no longer willing to tolerate

Women running businesses like hobbies, shrinking their prices, or staying in environments where they are treated as less valuable.

What she is trying to build instead

Financially literate, confident women who understand their numbers, own their worth and can weather change with dignity.

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Narrative structure

1. The trigger

Repeatedly hearing women begin sentences with “before Covid…” — as if their lives had split into a permanent before and after — revealed how deeply setbacks had lodged in their confidence.

2. The tension

She stands between encouragement and realism: wanting women to dream boldly, yet insisting they understand tax, cash flow and legal structure. Hope without structure worries her; structure without belief won’t work.

3. The insight

Her central truth: “You can start again, but you’re never starting at zero.” Everything lived — from dancing to grocery budgeting — can be repurposed.

4. The pivot

Instead of simply advising on business ideas, she built structured eight-week programmes focused on mindset, compliance and financial clarity — equipping women to operate ethically and sustainably.

5. The destination

A future where women put food on the table through work that respects them, where they make profit without shame, and where change feels like motion — not loss.

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Five key takeaways and learning points

1. Your confidence can shrink faster than your competence.

So what: Rebuilding belief may be more urgent than learning new skills.

2. Running a business requires emotional resilience as much as spreadsheets.

So what: Planning for self-doubt is as important as planning for tax.

3. Community accelerates courage.

So what: Surrounding yourself with others reduces isolation and strengthens accountability.

4. Profit protects your future self.

So what: Ethical business means paying yourself and preparing for downturns.

5. Change is survivable — you’ve already survived it before.

So what: Past adaptation is evidence you can adapt again.

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Ten distinct ideas explained

1. The ‘Before’ Mindset

Anchoring life to a crisis keeps identity stuck in loss. Letting go restores agency.

2. Invisible Labour as Expertise

Domestic organisation develops planning, budgeting and negotiation skills that deserve recognition.

3. Confidence as Capital

Without internal belief, external funding or strategy cannot sustain momentum.

4. Ethical Profit

Surplus is not selfish — it protects the business, clients and family stability.

5. Relational Selling

Conversation builds trust faster than aggressive marketing ever will.

6. Intergenerational Strength

A supportive family foundation can anchor ambition in uncertain systems.

7. Encountering Bias

Realising prejudice exists can be a painful awakening — but not an endpoint.

8. Creative Expression as Survival

For Elsa, dance was not hobby; it was voice, confidence and identity.

9. Adaptation as Discipline

Embracing technology and change keeps relevance alive.

10. Dignified Independence

The ultimate goal is not hustle — it’s stability, respect and choice.

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How people should change as a result

1. Think

  • Stop seeing yourself as “behind” because of a setback.
  • Recognise unpaid life experience as transferable skill.
  • Understand profit as protection, not greed.
  • See planning as empowerment, not restriction.
  • View change as rhythm rather than disruption.

2. Feel

  • Move from shame about money to responsibility for sustainability.
  • Shift from fear of starting again to curiosity about reinvention.
  • Replace comparison with self-recognition.
  • Let hope feel practical, not fanciful.
  • Exchange isolation for connection.

3. Act

  • Map every skill you’ve developed in life — domestic, professional, voluntary — and label its business value.
  • Create a simple three-month cash flow for both business and personal life.
  • Have one honest pricing conversation where you do not apologise for your fee.
  • Join or form a small accountability group.
  • Schedule one reflective session per quarter to reassess direction.
  • Involve trusted family members in brainstorming; fresh perspectives create momentum.
  • Ask: “What small change today improves my stability next quarter?”

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One thing to remember

You are never starting from nothing — you are starting from everything you’ve already survived.

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